Let the Architects In

Architects have been denied space at the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall to discuss science and physics.  Our request for reconsideration has not been answered.  Consequently, we are launching a “Let the Architects In” campaign and we call upon Netroots Nation supporters to help us correct this information void at Netroots Nation.

President Barack Obama’s inaugural promise to, “restore science to it rightful place…” sounded like good news.  This statement was needed because scientific integrity had been placed well behind politics in analysis, not only in areas such as climate change and public health issues, but also particularly in analysis of the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001.

View our June 6th Press Release.

Comments on “Let The Architects In”

As of Tuesday evening, there are 51 comments in favor of letting the architect exhibit in the Netroots Nation  exhibition hall and zero against.  The credentials of these commenters include the Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States, nationally recognized journalists, documentary producers, science teachers, professional engineers, presidents of union locals, firefighters and many others.  You can view them at the bottom of this page (or this link).

If you would like to leave a comment, you may do so by clicking here.  Please stick to one of the following  topics:

  1. Now that the facts behind the controlled demolition hypothesis are firmly established, should they be acknowledged?
  2. Should architects and engineers be barred from talking about science, especially physics?
  3. Are the facts behind 9/11, focused on what destroyed the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, irrelevant today?

Comments will be moderated.  You can see them on this comment page.

Daily Kos / Netroots Nation

Founder of the DailyKos, Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, specifically excludes discussion of the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001.  He defends his blog policy on DailyKos in Controversial Diary Topics by declaring, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Netroots Nation, having the same world view as its founder, has undoubtedly also adopted this unconscionable policy.

However, as noted on the Extraordinary Evidence pages

“Repeat offenders can and will be banned. Yes, this does include ‘controlled demolition’ of WTC 7.”


Controversial 9/11 Diaries

DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:

  1. refer [...]
  2. refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse.

Authoring or recommending these diaries may result in banning from Daily Kos.

The Extraordinary Evidence is now here!

But now …  it is time for the extraordinary evidence to be acknowledged, talked about and acted upon.

In fact, the organization, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth agrees with Markos that ”Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”  In fact AE911Truth has over 1,700 architect and engineer petition signers, verified and vetted professionals (real professionals, see their names … view their professional statements … read them all), who believe that engineering reports must not contain incomplete and unsupportable analysis.  This is because fraudulent engineering reports are an affront to the building design and engineering professions.

Architects & Engineers: Solving the Mystery of WTC 7

AE911Truth’s documentary, Solving the Mystery, the Destruction of World Trade Center Building #7, is designed for newcomers to this issue.   Join actor Ed Asner and Architect Richard Gage, AIA and founder of Architects and Engineers as they narrate an unfolding story that decimates the official account (“collapse due to normal office fires”) of this 47 story high-rise which was destroyed on the afternoon of 9/11 in record time: top to bottom in under 7 seconds – and at free-fall acceleration for a third of its fall.

Solving the Mystery includes several of the dozens of technical and building experts that were interviewed and that appear in our just released full length documentary – 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out. Altogether there are more than 1,700 Architects & Engineers that have signed the AE911Truth petition calling for a new investigation of the destruction of all 3 skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11.

Watch “Solving the Mystery of WTC 7″

9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out (Final Edition) Providence Screening June 10, 2012

AE911Truth is part way through a World Premiere Tour of its new documentary 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out (Final Edition) from the West Coast to the East Coast and is traveling to over 30 cities across the country in six weeks. The tour will come to New England on June 10th and we will be stopping in Providence at the end of the Netroots Nation convention.   The documentary features cutting-edge 9/11 evidence presented by over 40 experts in their fields, such as high-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and concludes with psychologists and therapists discussing why this is such a hard message for Americans to hear. Now that it is completed, it will be submitted to film festivals around the world.

Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 2:00 PM
ROOTS (the PICA / Roots Café)
276 Westminster Street, Providence RI
Two blocks south of the Westin / Biltmore Hotels

Netroots Nation refuses to “Let the Architects In”

We have had communications with the organizers of Netroots Nation.  This was followed-up with their Board of Directors about their denying our participation in the Exhibit Hall.

After the initial notification, the communication was more one-sided that we would have liked, as there were no responses.  You can see our request for reconsideration letter here.

Chronology Leading to Irrefutable “Extraordinary Evidence”

On July 08, 2005, when Markos wrote this policy for the Daily Kos, the state of understanding about the destruction of the three World Center Skyscrapers was quite different than it is today. Here is a chronological overview (more detailed chronology is here) of what happened to establish “exceptional evidence:”

July 2005 Markos establishes Daily Kos Policy (Note the official reports are not out yet)
2005 NIST Publishes the NCSTAR reports on the twin towers
2006 Richard Gage, a practicing architect who designs steel-framed structures first hears about the collapse of WTC Building 7 and founds Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to demand a real investigation
2008 NIST releases the NCSAR draft reports on destruction of the World Trade Center Building 7. A question by a high school physics teachers requires NIST to admit free-fall acceleration for eight stories.  This admission of free-fall is significant because fires could not cause this.  Simultaneous, coordinated removal of all structural elements would have been needed.
2008 NIST releases the NCSAR draft reports on destruction of the World Trade Center Building 7 which describes the free-fall, but does not explain how it could happen.
2009 Peer reviewed analysis of red-gray chips in the WTC dust provides evidence (which remains unchallenged today) of active thermitic material (a highly-engineered incendiary).
2012 With many intervening documents, AE911Truth releases the final edition of the documentary 9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out in which 40 highly-credentialed experts describe how the NIST explanation of the twin Towers and Building 7 cannot be correct.
June 2012
(We are hopeful)
Daily Kos rescinds is rule prohibiting the discussion of controlled demolition at the World Trade Center.  Discussion of the AE911Truth evidence is encouraged.


Help us get into the Exhibit Hall

Help us by tweeting a message to @Netroots_Nation

Use something like the following  (PLEASE! do not depart from physical evidence!):

“Architects should be allowed to exhibit.  I agree with ‘Let The Architects In’”
“Science is important. I agree with ‘Let The Architects In’”
“Why teach Science if it is to be ignored. I agree with ‘Let The Architects In’”

Send the message by Facebook at Netroots Nation  (PLEASE! do not depart from physical evidence!)

Also,  in your communications please consider asking the Netroots Nation organizers to provide Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth with a “courtesy (or reduced cost)” exhibit space in recognition of their oversight.  It is long overdue to Let the Architects in!

Contact us via twitter at: @LetArchitectsIn
“Let the Architects In” is an activity of a local AE911Truth Action Group

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63 Responses to Let the Architects In

  1. I have a PhD in physics and have carefully studied the mechanism of collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7. Based on my analysis, briefly summarized below, I strongly recommend that Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth be allowed to share their evidence-based results at the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall.

    About Evidence:  Within relatively small measurement error, at approximately 5:20 pm on 9/11/01, WTC 7 was recorded (by multiple cameras) to fall over 100 feet with near total symmetry at absolute freefall. This fact is acknowledged (albeit well hidden) in the NIST report. Freefall of any object is impossible if there is any other object in its path. In order to achieve freefall, any structure that once supported the freely falling body has to be completely removed by some outside force. The force required to remove it cannot come from the freely falling body itself, or it would immediately not achieve freefall. In addition, freefall requires direct and full conversion of gravitational potential energy into kinetic energy (all downward directed), leaving no remaining energy for transverse (non-vertical) effects. Examples of such transverse effects are present in the many explosive ejections (squibs) that occurred for WTC 7 simultaneous with the free-fall interval. One such interval clearly shows a sequence of explosive ejections propagating upward (inconsistent with downward progressive collapse). Of course, far more dramatic explosive ejections, outward and upward, occurred for WTC 1 and 2 with explosive wave fronts, including explosive sequences evident in frequency analysis of audio recordings. Explosives can explain where such forces came from, audio recordings of explosions, why the fall of WTC 7 looked exactly like a controlled demolition, and over 100 eyewitness accounts of explosions.

    On Peer Review: With a focus on the mechanism of collapse, an analysis of over 5000 peer-reviewed journals over the first decade since 9/11 reveals NO paper that addresses WTC 7 and also supports the official conspiracy theory; all such papers support the controlled demolition hypothesis. Less than 20 papers have been found (so far) that support the official theory – all focused on WTC 1 and 2; however, a core subset of these depends on a physically implausible one-dimensional model; others admit inconsistencies with basic observations. From the total peer-reviewed literature, my preliminary conclusion is that the only peer-reviewed papers that provide a physically plausible mechanism for collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 7 are papers that conclude with controlled demolition – a result consistent with the fact that in over 100 years, no high-rise steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone. Further, the only way that such collapse has ever approached freefall is through the use of controlled demolition.

    Ever since I was in the military (upon draft, with honorable discharge 1970) I have been an opponent of excessive military expenditures that go beyond demonstrable need (& it has been greatly excessive for the past four decades). I have also been a voting democrat for the past four decades, including active in local caucuses. As a “white” spouse of a wonderful and highly educated (PhD) black woman, I am a civil rights supporter. As a part-time philosopher, I am an opponent of religious fundamentalism, and an opponent of all forms of mere advocacy-thinking, and am active in promoting evidence-based (critical) thinking in all topics. As a scientist, I am opposed to the mis-use and abuse of science for political gain as with some discussions concerning global change.

  2. Halley Anderson says:

    Please let the Architects in. They’ve been exposing the truth about the collapse of the towers and Building 7 for years, and have a lot of information to share. I would hope that scientific evidence wouldn’t be a threat to Netroots Nation. Please let AE911Truth expose the clear facts and see how people respond. Censoring this evidence sure doesn’t seem too progressive. Thanks, Halley Anderson, Financial Secretary–Carpenters Local 81, Erie, PA; member–Women In Black, Meadville, PA.

  3. The allegedly progressive Netroots organization would not rent a booth to a 911 Truth group? When we all know the truth about 911 and the anthrax letters has yet to see the light, further discussion is being preempted? Backdoor censorship is regressive, not progressive. Come on!

    Consulting and Advising (selected, chronologic from the present):

    Chairperson, Maine Legislative Commission to Protect the Lives and Health of Members of the Maine National Guard
    Citizen Soldier
    Member, Federation of American Scientists’ Working Group on Investigation of Alleged Use or Release of Biological or Toxin Weapons Agents
    Physicians for Social Responsibility
    Council for Responsible Genetics
    Traprock Peace Center

  4. Eric Stacey says:

    I have met and heard Richard Gage, AIA, speak about the scientific investigations made by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and believe that they are on the cutting edge of protecting true Democracy in our United States. Like Private Bradley Manning, A&E 9/11 has been denied a place at the table because what they represent is an uncomfortable truth to many who would prefer to defer to covert power centers within our Government instead of standing up for transparent Government unafraid to allow the public access to its plans and strategies of the past and for the future. I believe that for A&E 9/11 to be disallowed an opportunity to share their information via a booth at the NetRoots Nation conference would be a great disservice to the progressive movement and to our future.

    Eric Stacey, President
    Landfall Productions, Inc.

    Selected Films:
    Purple Mind: The story of one Iraq combat veteran who returns home from one war only to fight
    another war at home, a war against the PTSD which threatens to destroy him and his family.

    A Passion for Sustainability: A documentary about twelve Oregon businesses which all follow the
    principles of the Natural Step in order to make their businesses more sustainable.

    The Waldorf Promise: A CINE Golden Eagle award winning documentary about the success of
    Waldorf teaching methods used in public schools from New York to California.

  5. John D. Wyndham says:

    The truth about 9/11, as investigated by independent scientists, archtects, and engineers is more relevant today than ever. The ongoing Middle East wars are all based on an untrue official account of what happened on 9/11.

    Let the architects, engineers, and scientists of 9/11 truth speak out in all possible public forums – the future of Western civilization depends on their doing so.

    John D. Wyndham (PhD in Physics, Cambridge University, England)

  6. Science is important. I agree with ‘Let The Architects In’

    As it says over the entrance to the CIA Headquarters in Langley, VA: “Seek the Truth and the Truth shall set you Free!”

    Co-founder of Food Not Bombs, Antinuclear power activist, Antiwar activist, originator of the process of Formal Consensus.

  7. Dr. Graeme MacQueen says:

    I urge those in charge of the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall to grant space to architects with a dissenting view of the events of 9/11. After 10 years of research, the scientific evidence supporting this dissent is firm and cannot with justice be brushed aside. I say this as a scholar with a Ph.D. from Harvard, as a member of the panel of experts in the 9/11 Consensus project, and as a member of the Steering Committee of the International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001.

    Founding Director of the Centre for Peace Studies (McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario)



  8. Richard Ochs says:

    “I support AE911Truth and their desire to discuss the science of 9/11 at a NetRoots Nation exhibit booth.” – Richard Ochs

    A retired printer and free lance writer from Baltimore, Richard Ochs has published articles in the Baltimore Sun, Baltimore Chronicle, Science magazine and the website: http://www.freefromterror.net. He is past president of the Aberdeen Proving Ground Superfund Citizens Coalition, member of the Depleted Uranium Task force of the Military Toxics Project and a member of the Chemical Weapons Working Group. After completing a course in Atomic and Nuclear Physics at Muhlenberg College, he transferred to the University of Maryland, where he had a split major in history and political science. He was a founding member of the Students for a Democratic Society at College Park. He accumulated ten arrests for equal accommodations with the Congress of Racial Equality and was resident printer for the D.C. Black Panther Party. He accumulated over 40 arrests protesting various U.S. wars since the 60′s. In 1978 he was elected Shop Steward in IUMSWA Local 24, representing 150 burners and welders at the Bethlehem Steel ship repair yard in Baltimore. Ochs was a Green Party candidate for Md. State Delegate in 2006. See: http://www.greenpartysolutions.com
    His work on military decontamination is documented at: http://www.chugoku-np.co.jp/abom/uran/us3_e/000518.html
    His research on 9/11 is at: http://www.freefromterror.net

  9. Ralph Hess says:

    The description of Netroots Nation found on its site includes the following:

    “Think of the Netroots as a big political family. We may not agree on everything but common threads connect us—for example, we stand for an America where every person deserves a good job with fair wages and equal opportunity. Our tent may be broad but we all can agree that America has gone off the rails and it’s time to get back on track with policy that is fair and just for everyone.”

    Netroots Nation promotes itself as an inclusive organization. Architects should be allowed to exhibit.

    I support all human rights, responsible and healthy stewardship of our environment, and compassion for self and others. I value and promote universal love, justice, and peace; therefore, I oppose war and violence in all of its forms.

    Note: Ralph is a retired judge.

  10. I am not a physicist and do not have an opinion on the issue but this group should not be barred from raising its concerns at the Netroots meeting,

    Recipient of the Society of Professional Journalists’ 2001 Award for Excellence in Documentary Journalism

    A Neiman Fellow in Journalism at Harvard University, where he taught in 1969, and an adjunct professor at the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University.

    Schechter was a civil rights worker and the communications director of the Northern Student Movement, and served as a “community organizer” in a War on Poverty program. Schechter also worked as an assistant to the Mayor of Detroit in 1966.

    His media career began at Boston radio station WBCN where he was styled the “News Dissector.” Later, Schechter was a producer for the ABC newsmagazine 20/20, responsible for 50 segments of the program; he won two Emmy Awards and was nominated for two others for this work. Schechter joined the start-up staff at CNN as a producer.

    After that he branched out on his own. He helped found and served as the executive producer of Globalvision, a New York-based television and film production company. Schechter created and executive-produced the series South Africa Now and co-produced Rights & Wrongs: Human Rights Television. From 1999-2010, Schechter was also the executive editor and “blogger-in-chief” at the now-defunct MediaChannel.org, for which he wrote a nearly-3000-word daily blog on media and society.

  11. Gerhard Bedding says:

    As a science writer and teacher, I consider science and scientific integrity of crucial importance to our civilization and to our nation. I am also a progressive supporter of Netroots Nation,. I agree with Let the Architects In!


  12. Jim Fuge says:

    Dear Netroots Nation; June 2nd 2012

    I’m asking you to reconsider your denial of a table for the AE911Truth group in the upcoming Netroots convention.

    (To bolster my reasoning here is a brief list of my progressive efforts in the last 11 years)

    I have mobilized our Four Corners Peace and Justice against the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, organizing over 40 marches in that time, the largest with over 800 people marching down Main st. (Invasions justified on the events of 9/11.)

    I organized (what I believe to be) the largest anti-McCain march in the US (over 1,500 people lining the street with Obama signs when he arrived here – with three days notice)

    I printed Obama yard signs for regional distribution (with my rent money) when we couldn’t get them from the Denver office, including several marches we organized in September and October of 2008 for Obama with hundreds of people marching.

    I personally wrote and got passed our anti-Patriot act resolution into our city council with our group Four Corners Peace and Justice. (a law that passed Congress because of 9/11)

    All of these efforts have a common thread, and that thread is 9/11.
    We need to understand what caused those buildings to come down since the entire oxymoronic “War on Terror” is predicated on the events of that single day.

    AE911Truth has tried since 2006 to shed light on the events of that day, yet the main stream media has repeatedly stymied out efforts. The official explanations simply fails to believably address the cause of the 3 (THREE) collapsed building. Especially problematic is Building 7′s (47 floor highrise) textbook perfect free fall collapse due to interior fires at 5:20pm. on 9/11?! An event over 90% of Americans don’t seem to even know happened ?!

    We now have over 1.700 verified architects and engineers who have signed our petition questioning the official explanations and calling for an independent investigation. (w/ their diploma’s and credentials checked and available for inspection)
    I personally would be relieved if I could refute AE911Truth’s claims,…I can not refute them and have not read any serious studies that could refute them. Admittedly the implications if AE911Truth’s claims of controlled demolition are true are not pleasant to consider. It is easier to look away.
    You don’t have to believe us,…but you should be willing to hear us, and allow your public to hear us also. A vibrant democracy can not exist without vigorous debate,… most especially of the very subjects that are uncomfortable to consider.

    Jim Fuge
    Four Corners Peace and Justice
    Duranago Colorado

  13. As part of Occupy the Upper Valley, “9/11 Truth Working Group”, I have shown earlier versions of their films; when others see the information revealed, another view becomes apparent and calls for a whole new investigation into the events of 9/11. We now refuse to believe the official version of what caused the collapse of the three buildings of the WTC.

    As long as people are misled they do blindly obey; they will be robbed of their freedom. For in a totalitarian state democracy must not be allowed. Evidence which contradicts must be suppressed. But in a free society, the people can follow their free will. They will no longer be servile. They will not submit and accept one version of reality, if they know another version of reality is actually the true one.

    The great danger in not telling the truth… in being censored, is in being sacrificed. Whereas, in telling the truth, offensive as it might be to some, we regain our sanity and our lives.

    Architects and Engineers 911 Truth is dedicated to establishing the facts of 9/11 as revealed through countless hours of scientific work by many professionals who volunteered their time. Why should the information they have assembled be suppressed? Why not learn from them, subject it to review, and then decide, sort of like in a true democratic society?

    Science is important. Let the Architects in.

  14. Lynn Bradbury says:

    I’m a college history major (Bates 1970), longtime progressive, Green Party member, and was in attendance at pre war/antiwar demonstrations in Augusta, Maine, Washington DC and NYC 2002-3, when the media failed to honestly cover the huge numbers (estimated 500,000 according to park and DC police on the street) of ‘middle Americans’ who, along with the rest of the world, did not want war.

    By denying professional architects and engineers a presentation table from which to share the most crucial truths discovered thus far regarding the facts of 9/11, Net Roots Nation makes a mockery of being progressive, and is complicit in the immoral, anti-science, anti democratic, pro-war and imperialistic mentality and agenda that are destroying the U.S. and the rest of the world.

    As Abe Lincoln said: “History isn’t history if it’s not the truth.”

    Net Roots Nation is keeping cowardly crowded company with Amy Goodman, NPR, Huffington Post, NYT (the supposed ‘newspaper of record.’ Phony “alternative” journalism alters history by ignoring the most important scientific truths uncovered by professional architects, engineers, physicists.

    Visit real truth telling websites such as:

  15. I am forced to accept whatever is logically and conclusively forced on us by the evidence, and so it should be for all of us. To deny the facts is unscientific and irresponsible. To deny the possibility of even presenting the facts to others is unprogressive and undemocratic, to say the least.

    I understand how it can be very difficult to accept facts and conclusions based on the facts when they conflict with our beliefs about society and the basic goodness of most people. But realize that if we don’t, and if we continue to suppress the truth, then we are merely giving those relatively few people who really carried out 9/11 the power to continue their program of destructive dominance over all of our lives. It’s got to end sooner or later. Which side are you going to be on?

    I have been an antitwar activist (since vietnam), women’s rights supporter, civil rights supporter, opponent of religious fundamentalism whenever it imposes an anti-progressive agenda, and supporter of any number of other progressive issues.

  16. Fred Burks says:

    As a former White House language interpreter, I am appalled that AE911Truth would be denied even a booth at the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall. I invite the producers of this event to take a look at the more than 1,500 professional architects and engineers who support this great organization. I fully support their courageous work in asking serious questions about what happened on the fateful day of 9/11.

    To deny a presence simply because a group is believed to ideas not in alignment with the status quo is to limit the conversation of what’s possible for the good of all on our planet. I implore the people at Netroots Nation to reconsider their decision and allow these good people to have a presence.

    With best wishes,
    Fred Burks
    U.S. State Department language interpreter 1986 – 2004

  17. Robert J. Carton, Ph.D says:

    Should architects and engineers be barred from talking about science, especially physics? Obviously not. Architects and engineers should not be denied space at the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall to discuss science and physics. 
    Dr. Bob Carton
    Former Environmental Scientist at USEPA, Washington, DC (1972-1992), and Former Chief of Environmental Compliance, U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, Ft. Detrick, MD (1992-2002) and twice President of the union representing ALL non-management professionals at USEPA, Washington, DC.

  18. Gary Fox says:

    It is self evident from watching video of the collapse of WTC 7 that controlled demolition is the obvious cause. N.I.S.T. did not look for evidence of explosives, because that was “beyond the scope of the investigation.” This is shameful. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil is not science! MLK Jr said ” There comes a time when silence is betrayal.”. Let the Architects in, let the evidence of controlled demolition be seen, and let an investigation of 9/11 lead us to a better understanding of the world we live in.

  19. Netroots Nation isn’t the only journalist / activist / blogging organization that doesn’t want to help reveal what has been learned about the destruction of the three skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11.

    For example I submitted the article to Op-Ed News ( http://www.opednews.com/ ) about this “Let The Architects In” campaign. The next day they refused to publish it, and provided only this one sentence explanation:

    “this is not news. It’s a manufactured issue.”

    So lets think about the concept of the news media not covering “manufactured issues.” So there was the Selma Bus Boycott … so there were the “lunch counter” sit-ins … so there were the anti-Vietnam war rallies … so there are labor strikes … so we had the Chicago G-8 / NATO protests (that the organizers manufactured by organizing) … Finally, the ultimate manufactured issue was the destruction of the WTC skyscrapers.

    What type of journalism is being practiced in our mainstream and “approved” alternative media? John Pilger seems to have it right “Journalism, Not Truth, Is the First Casualty of War” which you can view by clicking on the banner on this site.

  20. Ben Sarnoski says:

    It seems wrong to me that netroots nation has denied the progressive activist group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth time to speak at their event about their extraordinary evidence that the 9/11 attacks remain unexplained. This should be important in any activist circle because it represents a smoking gun of government incompetency, or even malevolence. Their presentation focuses mainly on scientific method analysis and peer reviewed data, which contradicts the government explanation. It is unjust for the Gov to lie, and it seems as if your activist organization concerns itself with justice. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth should be welcomed at your event.

    I’ve mostly been involved with Occupy Wall Street, and Occupy Hartford; also antiwar, womens rights, anti racism and civil rights rallies.

  21. Gerald Carpenter says:

    As a progressive since the days of Vietnam protests, I am incredulous that Netroots would deny the Architects & Engineers a chance to present their extraordinary evidence of controlled demolition. The science is solid, though the implications are indeed far-reaching. The ostrich pose of Netroots is very unbecoming–and on the wrong side of the evidence.

  22. According to the “Big Picture” section in Netroots Nation’s “About Us” page: The annual convention “serve[s] as an incubator for ideas that challenge the status quo.” Well, really? Are you going to walk that talk?
    Let’s consider that if one’s views on what happened on 9/11 are substantially wrong, then much else in one’s analysis is most likely also wrong. So it is very important to consider these issues carefully. I have presented controversial views on this topic at the collage at which I teach, and I know many others have done the same at colleges and universities around the United States and the world. There have even been whole courses devoted to 9/11 and the controversies surrounding it. And I have covered some of that ground in my recent course on corruption and propaganda, as well as regularly in my Moral Problems class. If it is alright to discuss in a college or university, why not at Netroots Nation?

  23. r wiseman says:

    Why is America afraid of the truth that these scientists wish to display. As Voltaire put it, I may not agree with you but I defend your right to present your position.

  24. Robert Williams says:

    Absent Alternative Media same as MEANSTREAM Media #Absent #Alternative #Media #same #MEANSTREAM #dinosaurs #censorship

  25. Ed Ciaccio says:

    Let the architects & engineers in to present their scientific evidence of controlled emolition which brought down World Trade Center Building 7 (and most likely also Towers 1 & 2) on 9/11/01.

    Why is Netroots Nation, which correctly disbelieves all the other lies of the Bush/Cheney cabal, believing the official story about 9/11?

  26. Abby Martin says:

    It is a shame when credible scientists, architects and engineers are banned from presenting evidence just because it is deemed “too controversial”. Open the dialogue, stop the censorship. Let the chips fall where they may.

    Abby Martin
    Founder of Media Roots
    Anchor & Journalist at RT TV

  27. Dick Atlee says:

    Coming from a progressive family, having worked on voter registration in Mississippi in 1964 and 1965, on Vietnam draft refusal, in opposition to all our military adventures since, and in opposition to the subservience of science to politics during the Bush administration that has for so long delayed response to climate change, I consider it essential that in progressive circles we not ourselves repeat this last foolish and destructive mistake. There is now extraordinarily clear evidence from physics and engineering that indicates the destruction of the three WTC towers on 9/11/01 was mediated by energetic materials, and not the result of the plane impacts and resulting fires. This evidence has been produced and promulgated the scientists and engineers of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. It’s time for progressives to leave the Bush pattern of suppression of science behind, and let the architects and engineers into the progressive dialog.

  28. Mark Graham says:

    As a long time activist for peace and a believer in the value of communication and free speech, I recommend that Netroots Nation let the architects in. They have expertise that ordinary people do not have when it comes to buildings. The peace movement should be as broad as possible. We have strength in numbers: more numbers = more strength.

  29. Please allow Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to have a booth at Netroots. It’s time we listened to the experts on this important subject instead of trusting to our preconceived ideas.

    Thank you for considering this request.

  30. Donald Stahl says:

    What is extraordinary is not the claim that the Towers were blown up—Richard Bruce Cheney, former Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton and former Vice President of the United States, said they were. (See http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5004452n ). What is extraordinary is the number of people prepared to say they believe things moved upward and outward, changing direction (as shown on numerous videos and photos) because of nothing except gravity, simply because they are afraid to contradict an absurd claim made by people with guns.

  31. Doug Bogen says:

    I have a M.S. in Science Education from Cornell, and I have been a peace activist, environmental advocate and progressive organizer all my life. As someone devoted to scientific principles and reasoning over crass ideology, I simply can’t understand why there aren’t more progressives willing to look into the physical evidence for a wider conspiracy behind 9/11. Please allow the Architects and Engineers to have an exhibit at Netroots Nation, and let people use their own brains to consider the evidence – censorship is unbecoming of any social organization, especially one claiming to uphold progressive values.

  32. Timothy Michel says:

    We need restore science to its rightful place in the national debates. We do that by carefully examining evidence and then drawing conclusions from that careful examination. That is what Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have done. Let Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have a booth at Netroots and begin the process of restoring science to its rightful place in the national debates.

  33. Herb Moyer, Exeter, NH says:

    As a high school science teacher for almost three decades and a very active progressive who is working hard to undo the great damage the Republican, Tea Party, and Free-State ultra radical NH state legislators are trying to inflict on our state and our NH Constitution….I am stunned at the thought that you would NOT let Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth purchase a display table at this weekend’s event. Shame !

  34. No Censorship, all topics should be open and fully considered on the merits.


    True Justice cannot exist without Science.
    Science is the great honest “decider”. Not Bush. Or Obama for that matter.
    Simple Science just seems to darn difficult for Americans to wrap their BUSY ‘lil haids around.
    Therefore we have NO justice.
    AE911Truth is all about Science.
    Science that is ignored by the system and the media.
    Science that is critical for Justice even having a chance to flourish again here.

  36. Dan Hamburg says:

    I’m a former congressional representative from northern California. I currently serve on the Board of Supervisors of Mendocino County. I hope you will allow Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth to have a booth at Netroots.

  37. Let the architects in; they have the right to speak.

  38. John Cobb says:

    I find it an embarrassment that opposition to serious consideration of what actually happened on 9/11 is as more from the left than from the right. Apparently people on the left are so afraid of being called conspiracy theorists that they try to suppress evidence of the real conspiracy that led to 9/11. If refusing to examine evidence is “progressive” I must find another label. John Cobb

    I am a member of the Green Party. I have published extensively against the globalization of the economy and its management in the corporate interest. I have especially critiqued the takeover of the economy by the financial sector. I am co-organizer of Progressive Christians Uniting.

  39. Gary Walker says:

    I just want to thank Netroots Nation for protecting simple minded munchkins like myself. The thought that our government lied to us about 9/11 is just too frightening. So thank you for watching over us as a big brother would do. We munchins can’t handle the truth. Amen.

  40. Please, please muster the courage to allow the Architects and Engineers to purchase a booth at the Netroots conference. They have a science-based analysis of the many holes in the “official story” about what happened on September 11, 2001. They want to rent a booth at the event, and you would have a hard time explaining to the public why you denied them that simple right. Bill Cosby said, “The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

    Executive Director of the Global Citizen Center; Co-founded Global Exchange; Founder and executive co-producer of the Green Festivals.

  41. Hi NetRoots,

    I am writing to encourage NetRoots Nation Exhibition Hall to allow Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth to set up an exhibition table at this year’s event in a few days.

    I am not interested right now nor particularly competent to argue out the claims made nor the very detailed proofs offered by AE911Truth, which are all strongly scientifically based. But this is taking place in Providence, RI, fer goddsakes, a City that just fired all its teachers! Where else are those who question official statements to go, to learn to think critically, if not to events like this one?

    As Chair of the WBAI (99.5 FM in NYC) Local Board, I am concerned over censorship of one important strand in our social justice movements, whether I agree with them or not — the same orientation I’ve been promoting at WBAI. Let the listeners (in the case of radio) or here, the visitors, decide!

    Architects & Engineers is a consistently reputable organization that keeps focus on the mechanical and scientific events of 9/11 and the collapse of the buildings, and eschews some of the more bizarre theories and finger-pointing that are out there. (No, “the Jews” didn’t do it! — one of the lies that A&E’s evidence helps us to debunk.) It tries to stick to the evidence and let the chips fall where they may.

    If there is something going on behind the scenes that I’m not aware of (quite likely), please don’t hesitate to contact me at mitchelcohen(at)mindspring.com. Still, I urge that when we err, we do so on the side of open discussion. If need be, NetRoots can add disclaimers to this and other tables exhibiting there. But please allow Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth to set up an Exhibition table.

    Thank you.

    Mitchel Cohen
    Brooklyn Greens/Green Party,
    Coordinator, No Spray Coalition against toxic pesticides, and
    Chair, WBAI (99.5 FM in NYC) Local Station Board*

    *for ID purposes only


  42. I remember Pearl Harbor.
    Just 5 yrs old I asked my mommy why everybody was crying. I heard about the Japs, people it was OK to kill because of December 7th.
    Then it was Nazis, Commies, Castro-Cubans, Reds, Chinks, Gooks, a few minor enemies, and now we are up to Militant Muslims and a few other names …
    But to see the common thread of government manipulation of whatever is needed to sell the need for protection (security) or just plain piracy (regime change) … we are a mind controlled people, and we progressives have been influenced also by the well-played dialogue that makes us wonder if there is a Terrorist around the next corner waiting there to kill us because we do not believe in their Allah.
    Don’t you see what is at the heart of our resistance to people who are showing us evidence that begs all sorts of questions?
    Is it up to the scientist to delete his evidence because it begs questions about the integrity of the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory)?
    … you know … the most outrageous theory that expects us to believe that 19 Musilms armed with what? did that king of damage … as a result of the training they got in Afghanistan !
    Friends, we understand you; we have had to break though the barrier of our most cherished beliefs of childhood … just as you will … but the mind control is very deep. George Orwell was the prophet of out times, wasn’t he?
    We think 1984 was right on schedule, and now even the so-called Progressives are afraid of a POSSIBILITY ?!? Excuse Me?

  43. Ken Jenkins says:

    Since we live in a “post 9/11″ world, including “endless wars” and continual erosion of our civil liberties and rights, knowing the full truth of what really happened on 9/11/01 is of the highest importance.
    The physical scientific evidence regarding the three WTC buildings challenges the official account of what happened that day in a way that MUST be addressed.
    AE911Truth needs to be heard from on these crucial issues. Please allow them a presence at the Netroots Nation event.

  44. William R. Woodward says:

    Please stand on the side of scientific evidence and let AE911truth have a table at your event. I am a psychologist and peace activist professor of psychology.

  45. The events on 9/11 changed the course of history that involves the rest of the world. I always think, FOLLOW THE MONEY. Some people say that it’s much more than that but it takes money to have power and these people ADORE both.

  46. Barry Miller PE says:

    As one of the registered professional engineer member of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, I am dismayed that the organization is not being allowed to staff an informational table at your coming event.

    Is it that we don’t want to delve into who perpetrated this crime that so far has not been investigated as the crime that it was/is?

    Thanks for your reconsideration.

    Barry K. Miller, California Registered Mechanical Engineer #M27447

  47. Douglas Sloan, Professor of History and Education Emeritus, TC, Columbia University says:

    I join in urging you to allow AE911Truth to rent an exhibition booth at NetRoots nation. They are an organization of over a thousand scientists (architects and engineers) who are raising questions of utmost importance that cry out to be heard. It is sad to realize that by refusing them a hearing, you are nipping freedom of speech in the bud.

  48. LeRoy Gmazel says:

    The architects and engineers and their supportive researchers and scholars have been deliberate and careful in assembling a solid set of evidence that demolitions brought down the three world trade center towers. They deserve an opportunity to expose that evidence at gatherings such as The Networks Nation Exhibit Hall. That this story has been censored by the media is one thing; to have it censored by a group of its natural allies is confounding. Please reconsider allowing them a table at your gathering so they can present their views.

  49. Herbert J. Hoffman says:

    Dear Netroots:

    I strongly urge you to allow AE911Truth to exhibit at your Convention. The Architects and Engineers are a well-established, scientific-based organization that has been constantly conducting and publishing peer reviewed articles on questions raised by the official 9/11 report. To arbitrarily refuse their application for exhibit space can only be based on unfounded bias and discrimination. This is an opportunity to demonstrate Netroot Nation’ commitment to truth-telling and the First Amendment.

    If the denial of the application is based on fear — for whatever reason, including that attendees may access sound information otherwise not available to the general public through the mass media — then it is a sad commentary on the courage of Netroots.

    Do the right thing. Do not censor AE911Truth.


    Herbert J. Hoffman, Ph.D.
    2008 Independent Candidate, U.S. Senate (Maine)
    Vice President, Veterans for Peace Maine, Chapter 001
    Member, Seacoast 9/11 Truth (NH)

  50. Erik Lawyer says:

    As a professional firefighter & previous adamant defender of the official story, I completely understand the fear and anger directed at the “9-11 Truth movement.”. After personally witnessing the destruction at ground zero, it took years for me to even begin to look at 9-11 again. I had to look for myself to see what the “formal” investigation revealed. Sadly, I learned the most basic national standards were violated.

    The more I learned, the more I was called to do something. I founded Firefighters for 9-11 Truth.

    For those that are denying the architects and engineers to professionally share carefully researched information, I encourage you to ask yourself if you do believe in standing up for one of the main principles America was founded on – Freedom of Speech. Even if you disagree with the content.

    Have you been able to objectively look at the evidence?

    Consider the countries where Freedom of Speech is squelched – is that what we now want in America?

    As a firefighter and an American, I invite you to reconsider your decision.

    Thank you,
    Erik Lawyer

  51. David Johnson says:

    Open societies not only permit open discussion, they encourage it. Let the architects in.

    Dr. David Johnson,
    Past President, Fulbright Association of the United States

  52. Frances Shure says:

    As a psychology professional, I am aware of the tremendous internal resistance to the evidence that shows we have been lied to by our government about 9/11. Few of us have been immune to this resistance!

    As your own website says (http://www.netrootsnation.org/about/netroots/), Netroots is a “big political family,” and your tent is broad, “but we all can agree that America has gone off the rails and it’s time to get back on track with policy that is fair and just for everyone.” We agree!

    Please stretch yourselves beyond resistance, help us break the silence of “good people,” and allow Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which focuses on science, facts, and evidence only, to purchase a booth. We ARE part of this family–albeit a member that brings difficult information which is uncomfortable!

    I appeal to you as a long time peace and justice and environmental activist who has worked on campaigns such as the Freeze nuclear weapons campaign in 1982 to today’s issues of banning fracking, GMOs, and always for transparency, sustainability, and peace in our world.

  53. It is discouraging to see NetRoot Nation denying AE911Truth to exhibit at your upcoming convention. At a time when our government is denying OWS the right to free speech, to see a gathering of so called progressived doing the same thing is shameful . I strongly urge you not to bar the architects and engineers from talking about science, especially physics. Whether you agree with them or not, everyone has a right to their opinion, after all isn’t that what we have been fighting for?

    NJ-CAN Field Director
    Former PDA NJ State Coordinator

  54. Michael says:

    I have an MS in engineering and work in nanotechnology. The evidence presented by http://www.AE911Truth.org is not only persuasive, it completely renders the official USG story untenable, and demonstrably false. As a signatory of the AE911Truth petition, I am familiar with the non-partisan, fact-based, and expert professional analysis they provide. It is truly a shame that such an organization (Net”roots” Nation) is suppressing and censoring this important issue. However, this is not unexpected, and the MSM has been very consistent in its marginalization and suppression of the *facts* and *evidence* around 9/11, especially the controlled demolition of WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7.

    As the people, armed with facts, we seem forced to hit the streets to raise awareness of the issues around 9/11 from the TRUE grass*roots* level. We need to spread the information through word of mouth, through emails, and through general outreach and protest.

    An initiative some of us are launching (unconnected to AE911Truth; I just happen to be a signatory), Occupy 9/11 Truth, can be found here:

    Please visit the website, comment, contribute, and help get the facts out there. We can also be found on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/occupy911truth

    “In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” Orwell

  55. mark phillips says:

    fig. 3-15 on page 46 of the final report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) acknowledges that WTC 7 descended at free fall acceleration for over 2 seconds (100 feet, 8 stories). This requires that ALL of the structural members over an area of 50,000 sq. ft. and at least 8 stories in height that moments before were supporting this 47 story building without any evidence of failure had to instantaneously, simultaneously and completely fail. And even though all prior examples of a failure of this sort have been as a result of controlled demolition, the official government theory is that in this particular case small and random fires were the cause.

    Those who are unfamiliar with the evidence might be forgiven for believing the official theory. Those that refuse to allow discussion of the evidence become complicit in the most stunningly evil crime of our time.

    Please, for the sake of humanity, let the architects in!

  56. Rick Shaddock says:

    NetRoot Nation should allow freedom of speech, especially when it is scientifically and systematically presented. Let the attendees decide if they want to go to the booth table or not, for more information. You are not their Nanny.

  57. Frank Agamemnon says:

    Without question a reinvestigation of 9/11 WTC Bldgs. 1 2 & 7 is the right thing to do.
    Experts in their fields having relentlessly researched and found new evidence reveals an undeniable TRUTH proving the so-called “official” story we were told by our own Government and MSM about what happened that day is flawed.
    When the flaws are corrected WE THE PEOPLE, our history and great nation change

    I request and urge those in charge of the Netroots Nation Exhibit Hall to grant space to the progressive activist group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
    These are patriotic and credible architects, engineers, scientists, physicists and demolition experts with dissenting views of the events of 9/11.
    So how about it folks, what do you say “Let The Architects In” so they can share all
    the TRUTH they discover with everyone.

  58. bernie says:

    I heard you guys ‘Netroots Nation’ had a convention this weekend and you stiffed ‘Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth’ the organization of professional architects and engineers who have established a lot of hard evidence regarding the destruction of the 3 WTC towers on 9/11/01!

    Wow, I heard this and couldn’t believe that an organization that stands for social justice and integrity like Netroots Nation would just blatantly ignore and censor professionals with important historic information such as this.

    Shame for censoring the truth. You are part of the problem. I hope to see the day when humanity is healed of the cancer it suffers from today and returns to human values, freedom, human rights, accountability and integrity.


  59. M. Hine, M.D. says:

    Let the Architects in, because even University faculty are now openly questioning the official version of what happened to the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

    On November 15 2011, the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga hosted a seminar on the Science of September 11.

    The event was covered by the Chattanooga Times Free Press

    The day after, at Indiana University, Dr. Niels H. Harrit spoke about how explosives were likely involved in the destruction.

    Every sample of World Trade Center dust his scientific team analyzed contained unreacted, man made nano-thermite. The dust also contained previously molten iron droplets caused by very high temperatures that could not have been caused by jet fuel or office fires.

    The findings, published in the April 2009 edition of the Open Chemical Physics Journal, have never been challenged.

    “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe”

    A non-technicalsummary of the paper is available.

    Regarding the peer reviewed paper, Dr. Steven E. Jones professor emeritus of physics from Brigham Young University noted, “This stands as an indictment of the official story of 9/11”.

    Dr. Jones noted that the laws of chemistry and physics are not influenced by political or cultural pressures.

    He commented that the red-grey chips found in independently collected samples of the dust undergo a thermitic reaction. Before ignition, iron oxide and aluminum are present in the chips. After ignition, elemental iron spheres are present. The iron has been “reduced” in chemical terms.

    “This means that a thermite reaction has occurred”, he said.

  60. Virginia Cotts RN BSN says:

    I am a long time member of Daily Kos and just received the email regarding the effort to allow A & E to set up an exhibit in the hall at Netroots Nation. I have been supporting the petition for a new, independent investigation since first hearing Steven Jones ethics presentation on video in 2006.

    The problems for Markos at DKos are:
    -the flame wars that went on over this in the early years.
    -the difficulty the site has with credibility in the blogosphere and mainstream.
    Markos had a bad experience with Joe Scarborough and MSNBC in ’09 http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/scarboroughs-dead-intern-gets-markos-of-daily-kos-banned-from-msnbc/
    which may have reinforced his unwillingness to reconsider the ban. At this point, the threat to the site’s influence in the election to keep the WH, improve the Senate control, and get as many House seats as possible is far to great for him to even consider.

    I am not sure he truly understands the difference between the A & E information and other sites that were big in 2005. Every Saturday he has a column on the week’s “Hate Mail Alapaloosa”. A selection of emails filled with incredibly vicious attacks, overloaded with swear words, as well as direct and implied sexual content. One week a very professional and appropriate letter from someone at A& E was included. The comment after was a reference to the ‘we don’t discuss crazy stuff here’ rule.

    I’m glad you tried and the approach was very good. The timing, due to the election, was probably impossible for Kos. What intrigues me is that some of the attendees got information and a few went to Burlington (?) for the showing there. I do think the timing of the Providence showing was a problem for folks trying to get home from a high energy conference.

    My hope is that after the inauguration and some of the initial battles are won, the willingness to reconsider this ban will surface. It will not be easy to get through. DailyKos is a somewhat unusual site in the level of community there. Netroots Nation has greatly added to this, as has the economic state of the country. Members have been caught in dire straights and we have had many fundraisers that were very successful. Also emergency help for individuals very sick, having mental health issues, health care support, animal rescues, and many support groups for talking and sharing ideas.

    Anything that upsets that environment is shot down fairly quickly. Since I also have a degree in sociology, it is neither surprising or totally inappropriate. I will continue to watch for comments that indicate an interest and send the person links to A &E, Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, and 9-11 Research through the internal email at the site if they are interested. If you plan to try to get into 2013 NN as you did this year, I would support that. You might want someone more involved with your project to join DKos to get to know the site, the issues, etc. so as to find the best way to present the idea again. I would respect the rule and not propose it on site. My user name is Ginny in CO.

  61. Klaus Pfeiffer says:

    If I were to make the extraordinary claim that 19 third world religious zealots being lead by a fanatic from a cave in Afghanistan successfully avoided detection by every single intelligence agency of the U.S., defeated every single security measure of every security and law enforcement agency, stifled the air traffic control system of the F.A.A, avoided detection, interception, even visual contact, by the most sophisticated air defense network ever conceived then using simple box cutters managed to seize control of four highly technical machines requiring a high degree of skill to operate then navigated the most heavily defended air space in the world over the span of two hours they managed to reach their targets and destroy some of the most incredibly astonishing records, archives, data, and information one could imagine. Using your criteria would this extraordinary claim require extraordinary proof? Well so far there has been no proof whatsoever offered by the F.B.I. or any other agency to back up what has to be the wildest conspiracy I have ever heard. Yet this is what NETROOTS is buying into and going to fanatical lengths to defend? Why would anyone want to be a participant in an organization of the blind leading the blind?

  62. Christina Myers says:

    The facts behind the controlled demolition hypothesis firmly established thanks to the 911 Architects and Engineers are overwhelmingly filled with truth and factual. So much so, not only are these facts that can not be denied, these things need to be established for the future of our country. Regardless, these architects and engineers should not be barred from talking about science, especially physics and not be excluded from a Netroots group and discussions. Let Americans here open debate to the 911 discussion because the truth will set all of us ‘free.’

  63. Virginia Cotts RN BSN says:

    I completely agree with your comment – up to the last few sentences. I married into an Air Force family, FiL was a NORAD wing commander for decades. That the Pentagon was successfully hit is also ridiculous. Putin nailed the gross impossibility of the whole failure almost immediately after the attacks.

    As far as DKos going to fanatical lengths to defend the conspiracy, that is over the top. It is a business and the owner has the right to keep it from going under because of the amount of truly idiotic claims that taint any discussion of the investigation as tin foil thinking. Which resulted in some ugly wars on the site. Israel -Palestine discussions have created similar wars and that is heavily restricted.

    It is human nature to reject very painful and difficult truths. A significant section at the end of Explosive Evidence is devoted to psychology professionals discussing the severe problems many of us have experienced in considering and accepting the implications of the information. DKos has over half a million members at this point and the focus is very important: to elect more and better Democrats from the WH down to local city clerks. There are many reasons to be concentrating efforts there, especially since it is time limited to a date now 8 weeks and 1 day away. With a simplistic average of 10,000 members per state, the impact has significance. It is the site owner’s choice to set achievable goals and keep other issues from absorbing the time and energy from them.
    I have no problem with that.

    Meanwhile, the best way to change an organization can be from within. Being a member respected for the comments I make that emphasize facts and the human harm that comes from ignoring them is no small effort. It will ultimately serve to bring about a challenge to the rules by a group of respected members. Those who would challenge the organization from without are wise to consider going to the site enough to gain insight into the community and management. Learning from that can make the external approach far more effective. Coordinated with an internal challenge could be the fastest way to success.

    Going ballistic about how blind and fanatical you think people are will only slow the process down.